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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:46:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,
At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. DonGÇÖt be That Guy.
By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.
LOL
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Posted - 2012.06.22 10:07:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Kinis Deren wrote:I wonder why CCP aren't heralding yet another "awesome player driven event by Goonswarm!" this time? Will heads roll at CCP over this? That would be a sad turn of events, IMHO. Did Mittens and co just throw CCP "under the bus" for a bit of post Fanfest/CSM election fiasco payback or is this a deflection strategy over the Inferno 1.1 war dec change drama. /me adjusts tinfoil hat How many alts could you create with the profit to influence the outcome of, say, CSM8? This was not done by "Goonswarm." This was done by a cabal of extremely rich and extremely knowledgeable Goonswarm members using their own capital. There is a huge distinction here.
Thats funny the 1st 4 pages of this thread was a circle jerk of Goon members congratulating each other on how Goons have done it again,
Now the **** has hit the fan its, "oh nothing to do with the general Goon membership"
When did the huge distinction appear ?
Poor attempt at spin, no use trying to shut the stable door after the horse has bolted.
Goons to CCP "we aren't trying to ruin the game just your game"
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2012.06.22 10:19:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:When did the huge distinction appear ? At the very beginning. Unless everyone else who slow-clapped in this thread is also involved. Also the **** didn't "hit the fan" when the NPC alts started wagging their fingers at the "general membership."
Nope I saw 4 or 5 pages of Goons jerking off over this, not allot of NPC alts till CCP came in to comment .
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2012.06.22 11:10:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Kinis Deren wrote:Does that mean Goonswarm is officially distancing itself from the actions of the members involved? You're reading too much into this. We don't have to distance ourselves from their actions.
Yes you do. Again read the first pages of this thread all the Goons jumping in to pat themselves on the back , Now its nothing to do with you, how does that work ?
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2012.06.22 11:11:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Skippermonkey wrote:However you think this is going to play out, CCP arent going to let you keep all that money, so you best have fun with it while you still have it you're aware that this only involved 5 dudes, not the entire GSF, right? also since when do you determine CCP's position?
Didn't we go through this, you didn't comment on all the goons taking credit as a collective at the beginning of this thread ?
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2012.06.22 11:13:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Yes you do. Again read the first pages of this thread all the Goons jumping in to pat themselves on the back , Now its nothing to do with you, how does that work ?
Tal No, we don't.
Goons took credit at the beginning of the thread now your saying your not , inconsistent ?
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2012.06.22 11:46:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Goons took credit at the beginning of the thread now your saying your not , inconsistent ?
Tal Let me try to say it more bluntly. CCP has the logs and the data. They have what they need to perform an investigation. Any action they may take will be taken against those who were involved. They won't punish GSF as a whole for their actions, no matter how many Goonswarm members applaud it, simply because the people involved did this entirely on their own.Simple enough?
So the answer is yes distancing yourselves now
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2012.06.22 11:57:00 -
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Karadion Kohlar wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:So the answer is yes distancing yourselves now Hulk of a Man Because?
Upset Goons are the best Goons
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:03:00 -
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Karadion Kohlar wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Karadion Kohlar wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:So the answer is yes distancing yourselves now Amazing Guy Because? Upset Goons are the best Goons Amazing Guy The only one I see upset is you. So what was your point again in the first place? Why should we have to distance ourself from those 5 guys? In fact, we're glad that they discovered this huge flaw since CCP can't design for crap anyways.
Actually the ones getting upset are you, getting hostile, changing sigs, I mean really.
Thread started "we" are goons "we" are leet look what we have done, thread ended , nuffin to do with us guv, nuffin I tell you. twas them that dun it.
Funny
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:04:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Upset Goons are the best Goons Ah, I see. The "u mad!" troll. Truly scraping the bottom of the troll barrel.
I know but its lunch and I'm bored, and hey the kettles cant call the pot black .....
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:10:00 -
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That's it? That's your whole argument? You are still avoiding the question. Why should we separate our self from those 5? I'm sure you can answer the question, blubbering baby.[/quote]
LOL at you
Blubbering baby, is that it, you'll be complaining about my sig next
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:13:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Actually the ones getting upset are you, getting hostile, changing sigs, I mean really.
Thread started "we" are goons "we" are leet look what we have done, thread ended , nuffin to do with us guv, nuffin I tell you. twas them that dun it. amazing how you haven't responded to my question why would we need to distance ourselves?
You guys need to answer that yourselves really, I believe you where the one that said it this thread that its not a Goon thing it was those 5 guys ?
How would I know why you wanted to distance yourself ?
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:15:00 -
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Karadion Kohlar wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:That's it? That's your whole argument? You are still avoiding the question. Why should we separate our self from those 5? I'm sure you can answer the question, blubbering baby. LOL at you Tal , is that it, you'll be complaining about my sig next Tal I havent got a good argument so I'll start with the very weak personal attacks to try and make him mad
Fixed
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:22:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:How would I know why you wanted ti distance yourself? How would I know why you wanted to dance around in a unicorn dress?
Who told
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:24:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Karadion Kohlar wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:That's it? That's your whole argument? You are still avoiding the question. Why should we separate our self from those 5? I'm sure you can answer the question, blubbering baby. LOL at you Tal , is that it, you'll be complaining about my sig next Tal I havent got a good argument so I'll start with the very weak personal attacks to try and make him mad I may or may not have a mental disorder that makes me see and read things that aren't there. Tal I love you and want your babies Tal.
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:58:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote: So your argument is dead then? Were you just ~*tHe PuPpEtMaStAh*~ the whole time?
Nope still valid IME, I've answered the questions, if you don't understand the simple premise, or more likely don't have the same view point, then nothing I will say will change that.
Lets agree to disagree.
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2012.06.22 15:54:00 -
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Tallon Sylph wrote:All you pubbies must be sick of Goons winning at Eve Online like every other damn day.
Goons win at Tech Wars. The pubbie cry; Quick, nerf Tech!
Goons win at market manipulation; Quick, ban these guys for being smarter thanus (and CCP)!
Maybe you should all just get better at Eve and quit complaining huh.
You mean we should all manipulate Eve in a way that it shouldn't have been (give the guy who thought of it props for being a clever bloke but....) and take advantage of the poor distribution of a resource ?
Well if everyone was doing that, this game would be more "bad word" (save the forums replacing it) than it already is.
Quick lets all be good at EvE by breaking it
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2012.06.22 21:52:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:It is not winning when you abuse a mechanic you know to be broken good, so every alliance who has taken their tech moons through use of blapping titans should have them taken away But that was clearly not broken, I mean they haven't changed titans since then, have they? :haw: PC Gamer never reported the tech moons, though. There's the difference. I meant the tracking titans, not tech. but yes, it could just as easily reference tech, now that I think of it. But yes, the common denominator of the last 2 incidents seems to have been "bad press". I guess a new burn jita wouldn't be looked upon as "******* awesome", now.
**** me do you not sleep, what time zone are you in, are you some auto answering bot , are you a collective .......
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2012.06.22 22:43:00 -
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Sven Hammerstorm wrote:It is pretty clear that next time someone finds something like this, the last thing they should do is to try help and tell ccp. Ironic isnt it :P
No they should tell CCP but before they exploit the cr*p out of it.
If you walk in through an open door a nick some ones TV and goods, then a month later walk in and say, hey you kept leaving your door open and that's why your stuff keeps getting nicked, then are they going to :-
A. beat the crap out of you and call the police B. turn around and say thank you very much for pointing that out and teachibg us a lesson, heres a cookie.
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2012.06.22 22:44:00 -
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Haquer wrote:Sven Hammerstorm wrote:It isnt really a secret that many a corp have gotten their titan/titans from exploiting FW before inferno. As long as you dont go public its ok You can be sure that things like this will never go public again.
Aaaahh .. you'll exploit without telling anyone. Got it.
Good answer lol
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2012.06.22 22:46:00 -
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Aryth wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Sven Hammerstorm wrote:It is pretty clear that next time someone finds something like this, the last thing they should do is to try help and tell ccp. Ironic isnt it :P No they should tell CCP but before they exploit the cr*p out of it. If you walk in through an open door a nick some ones TV and goods, then a month later walk in and say, hey you kept leaving your door open and that's why your stuff keeps getting nicked, then are they going to :- A. beat the crap out of you and call the police B. turn around and say thank you very much for pointing that out and teachibg us a lesson, heres a cookie. Tal People DID tell CCP. That is the point.
Ok so then before you you walked through the open door you heard that they had been warned that this could happen, but did it anyway ??
Look it was some clever ****, but you had to know the cr*p was going to fly ?
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2012.06.22 22:53:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Ok so then before you you walked through the open door you heard that they had been warned that this could happen, but did it anyway ??
Look it was some clever ****, but you had to know the cr*p was going to fly ?
Tal
thank you for your opinion ex-ASCN guy
Ex who ? what's that got to do with the price of eggs, oh knows, the guy that was part of a corp that was allied with with some forgotten Alliance has an opinion, woe is me, apart form the fact you just described half of Eve
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2012.06.22 23:06:00 -
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Aryth wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Aryth wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Sven Hammerstorm wrote:It is pretty clear that next time someone finds something like this, the last thing they should do is to try help and tell ccp. Ironic isnt it :P No they should tell CCP but before they exploit the cr*p out of it. If you walk in through an open door a nick some ones TV and goods, then a month later walk in and say, hey you kept leaving your door open and that's why your stuff keeps getting nicked, then are they going to :- A. beat the crap out of you and call the police B. turn around and say thank you very much for pointing that out and teachibg us a lesson, heres a cookie. Tal People DID tell CCP. That is the point. Ok so then before you you walked through the open door you heard that they had been warned that this could happen, but did it anyway ?? Look it was some clever ****, but you had to know the cr*p was going to fly ? Tal No, we didn't. As far as we were concerned, this was a rah-rah thing for the EVE storyline in general, with no long term damage to EVE. Everything about the plan revolved around that. So no, we didn't think anything would be flying.
Mate for some intelligent blokes you must be really naive, considering the alliance your in.
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Posted - 2012.06.22 23:18:00 -
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Aryth wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Mate for some intelligent blokes you must be really naive, considering the alliance your in.
Tal
I have been around a long time. I have seen CCP step up time and time again over the years and say things like this are ok. It's just in the past 6 months or so I got the feeling it was more media driven rather than the old hands off CCP. Maybe I am reading too much into it, but it's not a new feeling for me.
I don't think the issue was with the principle of scamming or the isk or playing the markets , it is probably with the fact that you where helping prop up one side in FW, thus nullifying the efforts of many that where taking part in those activities..... and I hear a crying in the night form those who's 'work had been made null and void be this.
Not this isk factor but the but the players affected indirectly.
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Posted - 2012.06.22 23:23:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:I don't think the issue was with the principle of scamming or the isk or playing the markets , it is probably with the fact that you where helping prop up one side in FW, thus nullifying the efforts of many that where taking part in those activities..... and I hear a crying in the night form those who's 'work had been made null and void be this.
Not this isk factor but the but the players affected indirectly. I'd be, um. "Highly surprised."
I could be wrong , do you ever sleep.
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2012.06.22 23:34:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:sleeping is literally the least productive use of your time
Well, I'm off to be really unproductive, unless of course I have "THAT" dream again, then I might get a little productive, well see.
by the way I found this Angelina Jolie in your dreams site, while doing some in depth research for this post and found the following
Angelina Jolie in your dreams
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH deep breath HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Wipes tear from eye, nn
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2012.06.23 07:48:00 -
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Morning, man this thread is just gonna keep on rollin ......
How many pages you think ?
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2012.06.23 10:59:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Doc Mulder wrote:cool story bro.
Whatever...
If someone really has 300 trillion ISK they made from this I would think they would become bored shitless. No more challenges in game... Where do people keep getting these numbers?
beginning of the thread somewhere ...
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2012.06.23 22:43:00 -
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Enaris Kerle wrote:Andrea Roche wrote:actually no. You just forgot the game regulations aka "EULA exploiting game mechanics is a bannable offence" We're going in circles here. Why is X not allowed? Because it's an exploit. Why is it an exploit? Because it isn't allowed. Up until two days ago, market manipulation was a perfectly legitimate tactics in the game, albeit not in real life. So that comparison falls flat on its face.
Mate why are you arguing whether it was legal or not the original op new it wasn't and reported it to CCP as a possible exploit (unfortunately after he had rinsed it) so where is the argument ?
Tal
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2012.06.23 22:58:00 -
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Enaris Kerle wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote: Mate why are you arguing whether it was legal or not the original op new it wasn't and reported it to CCP as a possible exploit (unfortunately after he had rinsed it) so where is the argument ?
What I'm arguing is that taking any proceeds of this off the players is completely the opposite of every known precedence. Nobody got their Nocx removed after refining Pax. Nobody got their Guidance Systems deleted when Tyrannis hit. Nobody got negwalleted after insurance scamming. None of these were intended, and yet CCP is doing a total 180 on their previous decisions.
Yeah but at the same time the scale of this was huge, and CCP probably need/want to send a message that this sort of thing is bad . Might have been different if he hadn't of posted about it on the forums and just had a quiet word.... who knows.
Anyhow I've been out all day anything happened or still waiting for CCP to make a call ?
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